Alt x CGC: Beta Playtest Interview with Matt Quinn
Liquid Auctions
September 16, 2024
Alt recently acquired a full 151 set of raw Beta Playtest Pokémon cards and after verification, worked closely with CGC Cards to authenticate and grade this historic set. Beta Playtest cards are an important step in the evolution of the Pokémon Trading Card Game that we all know and love today. Our TCG expert, David Kim, sat down with CGC Vice President and TCG expert Matt Quinn to talk through the importance of these cards, their authenticity, and the implications that these prototype cards have in the collecting space today. Check out the interview below:
Matt Quinn
Hey everybody, Matt Quinn, Vice President, CGC Cards, here with you today to show you some amazing Playtest cards from Pokémon's history. I'm here with David from Alt Auctions. So David, how are you?
David Kim
Yeah great, how are you, Matt?
Matt Quinn
I'm wonderful, I mean I couldn't be happier having this history in my hands so to speak. It's really exciting stuff.
David Kim
I cannot agree with you more. As a head of TCG for Alt myself, I'm really, truly excited to learn more about these prototypes with you.
Matt Quinn
Yeah, there's a lot to learn, a lot to talk about. I understand that you guys are going to be selling these some future auctions as well, so really big opportunity for collectors.
David Kim
I have a few questions that I'd like to just start off with. The first question is, is this the first full set of Playtests/prototype cards that CGC has graded? And how did you?
Matt Quinn
This is the second set of Prototype Betas that we've seen. So when you say full sets, there's a couple different versions of sets for these prototypes and playtest cards. You have the beta version, which is 151 cards. And then you have the base version, which is the alpha prototype, which is only the base set cards. So you lose cards that were in fossil, jungle, et cetera.
"With these cards, the provenance is key."
David Kim
Now, how did you go about ensuring authenticity?
Matt Quinn
Sure, with these cards, the provenance is key. So knowing where these cards came from, directly from basically the people who started Pokémon TCG. So these cards were being used to basically Playtest the game, see if it would work, basically proof of concept, everything from the beginnings of Pokémon, literally to the first thing that they're like, hey, this could be a TCG, to, okay, let's make some other examples, some prototype examples, and see what a couple different cards would look like, all the way to like, here, here's a complete set now.
Okay, here's basically three sets that we're gonna use in the future and then use some presentation pieces as well for publications like in CoroCoro Magazine where these things were first seen way back in 96, 95, late 95s when they being made.
David Kim
That’s awesome. So Matt, what does CGC think of these cards overall?
Matt Quinn
Well, you know, myself, I'm a big Magic the Gathering fan and the playtest cards from Magic the Gathering are very similar to these cards. These ones are a little bit more pretty with the color and a little bit more beautifully put together. Must be a thing with Japanese quality, so to speak, whereas the Magic ones are literally just pieces of card with clip art from Dungeons and Dragons manuals. But those cards were also used like these ones to playtest the game to see if it would work, to see if the cards would interact correctly with each other before putting it to the market. Obviously, you want to make sure everything's worked out, all the kinks and bugs are ironed out and to have a viable product to be consumed. So that's exactly what these were for. To basically just show proof of concept, obviously at the beginning, and then, okay, well, what cards should make the set?
So everything from the Game Boy game came into it as well. And then just kind of tweaks and things along the way. A lot of these cards I've seen with annotations from the playtesters and the designers of Pokémon themselves, crossing out numbers saying, this is too high or this ability won't work, so a lot of augmentations going on throughout the cycle of these cards.
It's really fascinating stuff. This is the kind of thing that you can't get from a pack, this is the kind of stuff that was supposed to be buried away, forgotten about, never seen again. And fortunately for collectors, this stuff's coming to light now. And it's always been a funny thing that I've said, like Magic has all this cool esoteric stuff. Well, now we're starting to see a lot of the cool stuff from Pokémon. It’s an exciting moment for collectors. It's a moment in time to not waste with this stuff. When it goes into these permanent collections, they're going to be gone forever. There's not enough to go around to satisfy demand. They're very important items.
In my opinion, they should be in museum, but here they are available for the public. I mean, it's really cool to see these cards and to be able to handle them personally and talking with some of the people that were, you know, in the beginning of Pokémon TCG to get their authenticity verified and just basically just doing everything we can to ensure a viable product to make sure that these things are, can be bought with confidence.
"In my opinion, they should be in museum, but here they are available for the public."
David Kim
Absolutely. And I agree with you wholeheartedly that prices aside, these are the definition of museum items. How do you grade a card like this with being mounted and other aspects of the card not being ever seen before?
Matt Quinn
Sure, so one of my backgrounds is actually in the rare paper money business. So in the paper money field, a lot of these banknotes and things that were used as currency were made on so many different kinds of card stock. They were made on paper, they're on walrus skin, all kinds of crazy things that they made this currency on. So I have a pretty good knack for grading items on different mediums. And basically you just gotta kind of set a line and then you find some graders, you get that line set with them and just make sure that you're accurate and consistent with every one you see in the future.
Everything's gonna take wear, take damage these playtest cards fortunately are actually ones that are probably just thrown into a binder after they made them. Maybe they used them for kind of appeal and aesthetics. Maybe they playtested them with sleeves who knows and but to the point that the quality is actually impressive. Some of them have some bends and nicks and dings and fingernail indents and things like that, but overall the quality is pretty impressive for these cards.
When you're grading them, you're just looking at, handling defects, what was a manufacturing defect? So manufacturing for this is gluing it to the paper. Obviously, if it's glued crooked and cock -eyed, the centering is bad. If some of the corners are dinged and nicked, you're going to take that in consideration. So grading is not really any different than anything else, but it's just consistent among the type that you're grading is the most important part.
David Kim
Yeah, I've noticed that some of the cards were like 9.5s and 10s. So I was quite impressed that the playtests were in such good condition considering they were like the first ones to play with. So kudos to the owners themselves.
Matt Quinn
Yeah, I think they probably took a certain care and pride in these cards when they were being used, obviously. I bet there's some other ones out there that we haven't seen that are made a little bit more beat up for being slammed on the table a little bit more. Again, seeing these cards in person though is just a visual treat. The abilities in all of the text on these cards and seeing where they went from their production and design phase to the final product is just fascinating.
David Kim
So why is this prototype an important piece of Pokémon legacy?
Matt Quinn
Well, I mean, when you think about legacy eras, you always go to the beginning, right? Any kind of legacy has a start. And for Pokémon TCG, this is the start. These are the cards that basically became whatever one's vision was for a trading card game. A lot of the creators of Pokémon TCG were, enamored with Magic the Gathering too. So that's kind of one of the the jump offs. You know, Magic was basically the first TCG to really take the world by storm. And subsequent games obviously followed with Magic the Gathering, whether it be Yu-Gi-Oh or Vampire the Eternal Struggle.
There's all kinds of them that came out and some of them died, some of them got big. But obviously Pokémon, when it came to the United States, it got big and it got big quick. The Pokémon IP is the biggest in the world as far as I'm concerned, as far as just brand recognition, right behind Disney or right with Disney or even in front of it. So, I mean, just this kind of importance of these cards, I don't know any kid who doesn't know what a Pokémon card is, whether it's today or 20 years ago.
So it's it's just one of the biggest collecting hobbies there are for for the youth and even for people that are getting older now like myself. I'm 40 years old and I love this stuff. So I can just see this hobby growing. So these cards are going to be at the forefront of the Pokémon TCG hobby. Obviously, some people like just pack pulled cards and only want set cards, cards that were printed by the Pokémon facility. But the enigmatic stuff like these playtest cards is some of the coolest stuff you can.
David Kim
Amazing. So Matt, in your professional opinion, knowing that these are museum level items, how many Playtests or prototypes as a whole do you think are out
Matt Quinn
I think for the different versions, there's different totals of what's available. Pretty much as far as what we've seen so far, I would say there's less than six of each version available and that's on the high side. Some could be less. So like, for example, I think there's probably only like maybe six, at the most 10 of these, if I had to put a number on it.
But you know, it's all evolving. These things are starting to come out from the original sources in Japan. So, it's interesting to see how many are really out there, but I've been I've been told in quite confidence that there's not many. They're going to be gone soon. So like I said, waiting for prices to fall down on these things could be one of those things where you wait and all of a sudden there's none more. There's no more available. And then there's nothing you can do because some of the collectors that get these will realize the rarity of them and not want to part with them. Likely for no no amount of money at all. They just want to keep them because they can't replace it.
David Kim
Absolutely. And to refer back to your mentioning of the specific different versions of these, how many versions are there? So in my expertise so far, I only know the prototypes, Alpha Playtests, Beta Playtests, and the CoroCoro presentation. I'm sure there's something in between those that you can educate me with and the audience as well.
Matt Quinn
So the earliest one I know of is the Seadra, which is the proof of concept. So this card was made with basically the Game Boy box back, and then it has a very custom Seadra on the front of it. I've only seen one of those so far, and that's basically what they made to say, hey, this could work. This is what we should do. And there's only one card, the Seadra, and that's it for the proof of concept.
You won't find a Charizard like that, Pikachu like that, anything else besides just the Seadra. So after the Seadra, you have a set of 26 Alpha Prototypes. So these are the ones that you've seen that are just black and white. So they're very crude. have the Game Boy sprites on them. And these cards are basically what they're saying. OK, well, here's some other ones. Here's what it could be. And they put some abilities and text on them as far as what the cards would do in the game. From there, then you go into the Playtest versions, which you have the Alpha Playtest version and that card is a little bit more crude looking than these Beta ones here. The art's mostly from the red and green versions, and then they go into the red and blue ones after that. So what you see with the Alpha ones is just the base set cards. So cards that you would find in base set Pokémon from the Japanese release. And then after that, the Beta Playtest incorporates the entire 151, which everyone loves and it's the biggest thing for Pokémon is the OG 151.
And that's the set we have here. So you have all the cards from base, fossil, jungle. You got the fan favorites, you got the Eevee in here as well as some good ones, the Eevolutions. Gengar is in here now. So, a lot of cards that will be missing from the original base we have here. And just simply amazing seeing this complete set. So the Beta set in my mind is one of the coolest ones. It's kind of like the Gamma set for Magic where you have basically as close as the original release until the release happens.
So all the 151s here are accounted for. And then after that, like you mentioned, there are the presentation pieces. Those presentation pieces will have the symbols actually stylized. They'll actually have for the water energy, they'll have the water droplet for the fire type and then the grass for the grass type. So you'll start seeing a little bit more design details or color background on those ones as well.
And like you said, for the CoroCoro advertisements, that's those were used for, is advertising purposes, saying like, hey, look what's coming. This is what we're going to be doing, and kind of giving that out to public consumption. Shortly after the Beta Playtest, there is a Delta Playtest as well. So that series is all colored backgrounds and they actually correctly spell Sugimori's name in those ones on the beta ones that's incorrectly spelled.
And in that version you have the base set art that you would see for the normal Charizard that the 1996 Japanese base set Charizard and obviously the English version in ‘99 as well So that art is seen on the Delta Playtest ones. So I've seen the complete big three evolution set for that and those are really impressive. They're really cool. So they have the basic art the same as you'll see is the pack pulled versions.
David Kim
Wow, that's incredible. Yeah. So is it, my understanding, is Alpha and Beta and Delta, do they all have a 151 set or is it just Beta with the full one?
Matt Quinn
So Beta is the only one that I've seen 151 cards out of. As far as the later Delta ones, I've only seen the big cards from it so far. I haven't seen the smaller cards, so I can't comment to that yet. But as far as the base set one, that's just the base Pokémon. So the Alpha version, Alpha Playtest, only has a base set Pokémon in it. And then Beta is the one where you get the entire 151.
David Kim
Okay, perfect. Thank you for that explanation. How has CGC earned the trust in the TCG space and maintained that high reputation? I wanna add in a little bit to that question in that when I first saw CGC about two years ago, you guys came in so fast in gaining the trust and the business of TCG, that whenever I go to shows and Collect-A-Con and all that, I see so much CGC to the point we for Alt have implemented CGC on our model as well.
And we did not have CGC before I was hired. As soon as I was hired, CGC part of the model because of the importance and the revenue and the presentation that it is in the hobby.
Matt Quinn
Yeah, CGC Cards is a wonderful company to work for. When we started back in 2020, our goal was just to cater to only the trading card community. So our start was with Pokémon and Magic. And everything we did about that hobby in this vertical was to be catered to those people that have never had a grading service, really give them what they want. You know, they want to have their errors graded, their Playtest cards graded. They want to have their oddities graded.
It's one of those things where we get a lot of dealers together and just basically asked them, like, what do you want to see in a Pokémon grading company? So the biggest thing, obviously, consistent grading. Cards that were made in 99 versus cards that were made today are graded very differently. A modern Japanese card is going to come naturally a lot nicer than a base set, like a jungle unlimited card with silvering all over the edge. So the biggest thing I pride myself on is all of our graders have an extensive TCG knowledge and all they grade is TCG cards.
And among those TCG graders, they have individual pockets of expertise they focus on as well. So if you have an Alpha Magic the Gathering card, which has a natural corner flip, that's going to go to someone who knows vintage magic. If you have Pokémon, that's going to go to people that know Pokémon, you know, same with Yu-Gi-Oh, Dragon Ball, all those games that people love and care for that have very specific tendencies within those cards that were printed in many different printing facilities.
We have a very, very strong acumen when it comes to how the cards were made, how they should be graded, and the consistent scale on how we grade those cards. And I think that's a lot of things that collectors love and trust with us is that we put out a product that is consistent.
We try to make sure that everything we grade is exactly as we would grade it right now as we would later in life. These cards are little treasures. People care about these cards so much. It's amazing how much passion is in this hobby. And the cool thing is we all have that passion at CCC too as well. We're all collectors. We're all people that used to go to game shops, card shops all the time when I was a kid.
We have our own collections. It's it's something that we pride ourselves on when your cards are here with us. We treat it just like it was a card of our own. We want to make sure that it's going to have the same care as it would if it was on your shelf at your house or if it was in your binder. We want to make sure that cards protected, cared for, graded accurately and encapsulated safely. If something comes in that we don't know what it is - OK, let's do the research with printers and people, we have great connections with Wizards of the Coast, with Pokémon, with all these printing facilities.
We actually bring our graders to printing facilities on a yearly basis to see how these things are made. Okay, so how are you guys changing our production this year? Okay, you're doing this differently, so that's gonna affect this. They ask us, what should we do differently to make the cards better for consumption? So we really try to just put ourselves in the place of the community so we can give them what they want. It's a lot of effort and a lot of work and a lot of hard work, but it's really rewarding to see the amount of rarities that come through our doors.
People trusting us with their illustrators, with these Playtest cards, with monumental rarities in the hobby. And then seeing the prices, know, realized prices recently, it just gives us more confidence that we're doing a good job. We're excited for the future and think this is going to be the biggest collecting segment there is basically. When I was a kid, I collected coins a little bit, but mostly cards. But no kids are really collecting coins these days. They're only collecting cards. And when they get older and they come into their prime income years, they're going to have extra money. They're going to want the cards they didn't have when they were younger.
And our goal is to put the cards that they want right now safely encapsulated so that 20 years down the line, when this card becomes available somehow, they can be like, I want that card for my collection. I can afford it. So it's just for future collections. We're basically just custodians for this stuff. Everyone who collects is just a custodian for those future owner. It's going to be someone else's in the future.
"We're basically just custodians for this stuff. Everyone who collects is just a custodian for those future owner. It's going to be someone else's in the future."
David Kim
Absolutely, yes. For you guys to encapsulate collections and to not only to put value, but to put security upon the collection is truly, truly a great purpose and fulfilling moment. So we all appreciate that, Matt. Is there certain, you know, like that Pikachu you showed us, where would we see that art in the market?
Matt Quinn
So yeah, this is the red green art basically. So what you're gonna see this art in the Game Boy game, know, so this art is the original OG Game Boy stuff that they had in the colorized version. So, obviously the Game Boy sprites, but on the advertisements for Game Boy and like the Pokedexes and things like that, you'll see this, this, this art, a lot of the art didn't make its way to the base set, but some of the art actually made its way on the promos, like the Venausaur here. So this Venausaur came out in the promo later, so there's a lot of artwork and obviously the Charizard as well.
So you got a bunch of different artwork that's going to show up in Pokémon TCG at a later date, but just not in the base set.
David Kim
What's your favorite Playtest card in this aesthetic?
Matt Quinn
I'd have to say my favorite one would be the Psyduck. So Psyduck's just a great character. I mean, he's between Psyduck and Gengar are my two favorite, I think. But Psyduck just has a special place because he's just got his headache all the time and you feel bad for him.
David Kim
Is it fair to say that Seadra is the official first Pokemon ever to be created?
Matt Quinn
Yeah, I think that's fair to say I've been told by very, very reliable sources that that is the proof of concept. That is the very first Pokémon card ever made. Obviously, a lot of people will contest that because it's not pulled from a pack. It wasn't printing from a facility. But as far as conceptualizing the game of TCG and Pokémon, it was that Seadra.
David Kim
And were you able to hold this, see it, grade it for yourself?
Matt Quinn
I did, I did. I had it in my hands and I was so excited to hold that card. There's a couple of cards in this hobby that have gotten me truly excited. One was the Playtest Black Lotus I saw. We haven't graded that unfortunately yet, but hopefully soon. Obviously that, Seadra, proof of concept Pokémon card, and then also a Pristine 10 Alpha Black Lotus, which was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.
And then shortly after that, obviously the Pristine 10 First Edition Base Set Charizard as well. Those, I mean, when you see a card of that popularity and that caliber graded so highly, it's it's just exciting, super exciting.
David Kim
Since you're an expert in both Magic and Pokémon, how would you compare and contrast the Alpha and Beta of both Playtest Pokémon vs Magic?
Matt Quinn
Yeah, so Magic had an Alpha Playtest as well. So the Alpha Playtest for Magic the Gathering was literally a stack of note cards that Richard Garfield, the creator of Magic the Gathering, literally just hand illustrated himself and wrote on the note cards what it did, it was 120 cards. You'd split it into two decks and then you'd play. And he currently still has those Alpha decks. So those are in his possession. After that, it was a Beta Playtest, much like these Pokémon cards.
In the Beta Playtest, they expanded it greatly. They made a bunch of different cards, about 130 or so. And from that Playtest, they actually gave it to people at the University of Pennsylvania, where they got the math club and the bridge club together to figure out how to play this game. So as that's evolving, they go into a Gamma Playtest phase where they added even more cards. And that Gamma phase basically really mirrored what would come out in the Alpha Set in 93. So this is all happening in 1992 at the University of Pennsylvania where Richard Garfield went to school.
And also in Washington state where Peter Atkinson, was the CEO of Wizards of the Coast back then when he worked it out of his parents basement basically. So he would give some Playtest cards to some Canadian Playtesters too that he knew. Other people that were on the West Coast. And it was just a really wild time for TCGs back then because there was no precedent like there was for when Pokémon was made. Pokémon looked at Magic like, okay, well Magic interacts this way. This is how this works. We could do it a little differently but the core fundamental of, draw some cards, start a game, and it goes quickly, was basically what Magic had in the beginning. The games are very similar.
When I was 16 years old, that's when Pokémon came to the United States. This was in 1999. So I was enthralled with Magic already for another six years.
Everyone wanted Pokémon cards, but Magic always has a special place in my heart, but Pokémon's a strong second.
Matt Quinn
So with these Playtest cards, I alluded to earlier, there's a lot of them that came in nice condition. And fortunately for us, like some of them might've gotten made and put in a binder, didn't really see any play. Obviously you have this Growlithe, everyone loves Growlithe, but you you're to evolve Growlith sometimes into Arcanine and then you get a beautiful, Pristine 10 Arcanine. So borders, beautiful corners, lovely. There's no residue anywhere on the card. It's just a beautiful example.
That Pokémon back, right there, the OG Pocket Monsters back from the Japanese printing. Takumi Akabane actually created the back of that card. So it's kind of cool. That's his artwork It's his style right there. But yeah, this is one of the nicest Beta Playtest cards I've seen and Arcanine is a very very popular Pokémon as well. So really nice to see one of that quality There's a couple other Pristines in here as well. I mean the entire set is here, 151 cards, so you have them all. You don't have to catch them all, you've caught them all if you get this set.
David Kim
Ironically for me on a personal basis, my nostalgia brain is leaning towards or towards Beta Playtest rather than the Alpha. And not only that lean towards the Delta more because those are the right before the printing of it. My investor mindset says Alpha should be the most valuable, but I don't know my personal says beta to Delta.
Matt Quinn
Well, you look back at the Magic of the Gathering playtest cards. So the ones that are available are the Beta, the Gammas, and there's actually a Delta phase as well. And with Magic, obviously the Gamma ones are the most mirrored towards the Alpha printing. So those ones are naturally worth the most. The Beta ones, though, however, can be worth just as much in certain situations.
It comes down to a preference because a lot of people want to collect multiples of that set. So with the beta ones, they actually come in different versions and varieties without magic. So it's really tough to put together a set. But most of the time people are looking for an example of each version. So they're a global collector, so to speak. So they're going to want an alpha prototype. They're going to want Alpha Playtest, a Beta Playtest, a Delta Playtest. They're going to want the presentation.
A lot of people like to have one of each version. So with Pokémon, I'm not sure if it's going to follow the same trend as Magic. I think Pokémon and Magic are vastly different in how they're collected and the collectors that do collect them. I think both of them have their pros and their cons, but with Pokémon, it's a much more fervent collector base as far as set collecting goes. People like to collect all of them, catch them all. Like Pokémon, with Magic, they do set building with Alpha and Beta and stuff like that, but it's not as prevalent as it is with Pokémon.
You don't have people going out and buying a modern Magic set and completing it. Whereas in Pokémon, they want every card. They want all the reverse holos. They want all the holos, all the variants. They put a binder collection together. So, I think Pokémon has that, that beautiful part of it where people set collect. And that's where I think that it might be a little different even with these Playtest cards. Obviously these are some of the top of the pyramid for collecting, but where the price settles, it's hard to gauge.
I think the population will have a lot to do with it too. I think there's gonna be only a few more of these Beta Playtests and there will be the alpha versions. So in that respect, it would make me think that even if the beta were more coveted and they're more sought after, the fact that there's less of the Alpha would keep their prices in check.
David Kim
Yeah, the Pokémon industry wanting to catch them all and being full completionists that they are, I think the term ‘Master Set’ truly goes hand in hand with the Pokémon industry and hobbyists as a whole. So definitely I would love to see a Master Set of prototypes one day, whoever the completionist might be.
Matt Quinn
Yes. Yeah, I mean, I, know, in my old career with with banknotes and things, I've seen people put together 30 million, 40 million dollar collections of banknotes where they literally try to get everything, every variant, every version of the banknotes that were printed by the United States government from 1861 all the way till present. And it can be done. But there's some cards and some notes in that matter that just don't exist. Or if they do, they're only in the Smithsonian. So, there's a lot of times where finding certain cards is impossible.
So it's, for example, that the proof of concept card, we really only know of one right now. I mean, if someone owns that, that means no one else can. There are a lot of different rarities in the coin business, and like I said, paper money, if there's only two known and those two are in permanent collections, then completing a set is going to be a decade long process until that person finally says it's time for someone else to own this. So a lot of these cards are gonna have that similar fate, especially if there's only five or six of them known.
Like I kept preaching, if you're interested in these cards, now is the time to act because they could be unavailable soon.
David Kim
So for most of us Pokémon collectors, we're driven by nostalgia. And whereas this historical museum items are surpassing our surface level concepts. So is this the proper way or is this the elite way of collecting in Pokémon?
Matt Quinn
Yeah, so I try to always lean on my experience from my other verticals that I've been in. And as you evolve as a collector, you come to appreciate things a lot more. Sure, when you're a young fervent collector, just like you said, nostalgia runs everything. All you care about is what you used to have as a kid. But as you become a more seasoned collector, a more astute collector, you start thinking about these things -well, you know what, that's actually incredibly rare and if an opportunity came up to buy one, maybe I should. And you just kind of run out of things to collect. So eventually you're going to want to go down different roads in your collecting, in your journey.
David Kim
Yeah, I will definitely say that this appearance of prototypes and Playtests was definitely refreshing in terms of like, we are so bogged down with trophies and illustrators and snap cards. To see a brand new category even before these trophy cards is truly marvelous. And I think it is great for the hobby as a whole.
Matt Quinn
No, I 100 % agree with you. I always kind of made fun of Pokémon because they didn't have this cool stuff to collect. That's why I said Magic's got all these cool Playtest cards, but now I can't say that anymore. Pokémon's got them as well. Really excited about seeing them here. So I mean, I agree with you fully. I think it's a cool thing for the hobby. It's exciting. There’s a lot of cool things to just take in with these cards. And these are going to be some of the most important cards in the hobby for generations to come.
David Kim
Amazing amazing. Well, I don’t have anything else to add, thank you so much Matt. Over the next few weeks, keep your eyes out for the original 151 Beta Playtest coming to Alt Auctions.